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Help with JBL speaker repair - refoam gone wrong?
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<blockquote data-quote="BenH" data-source="post: 8864915" data-attributes="member: 690429"><p>I'm sorry but I don't trust Crutchfield. Especially because I was told the opposite by them the other day when I asked. I was talking on the phone with them and they didn't offer the information, but when I specifically asked about that I was told that if I just wired the coaxial speaker directly to the current wire setup I would only get one set of sound.</p><p></p><p>Additionally, I highly doubt that the gentlemen in the blog post would have gone through all that work if he could have just "hooked them up". He seems knowledgeable on the subject, so when it comes to some "salesperson" at Crutchfield vs a seemingly knowledgeable person who has done this before, I'll go with the latter.</p><p></p><p>It is not that I don't trust YOU, but you yourself have no direct knowledge of this setup and are relying on a third party here. I'll also note that you didn't mention, nor did they ask about what type of system was in the Camry. It is the JBL premium sound system (without navigation). I expect that the wiring is quite a bit different than the standard sound system. Although I'm not sure if the standard sound system also uses other JBL speakers, but if you aren't being specific as to the setup, then who knows? Additionally, if you go on Crutchfield to look at speakers for this setup it shows this listed under install notes:</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]55106[/ATTACH]</p><p></p><p>Your terminology continues to confuse me with "main leads" "termination points", etc. I'm trying to deal with this in simple terms, so let me restate simply:</p><p></p><p>These rear speakers are components and although they are physically attached via the bracket they each have 2 wires coming out from them which are all 4 going into a quick connect wiring harness. It is hard to see in the pics, but this should show:</p><p></p><p>[ATTACH=full]55107[/ATTACH]</p><p>You can see there are 2 bundles of 2 wires that are then wrapped, but you can see the 4 wires on the quick connect.</p><p>The other side of the quick connect that is coming from the amp also (obviously) has 4 wires going into it.</p><p></p><p>The blog post I have linked multiple times (and will link again):</p><p>[URL unfurl="true"]https://caraudiotips.blogspot.com/2013/02/upgrading-rear-speakers-toyota-camry.html?m=1[/URL]</p><p></p><p>I think he is pretty clear in stating what the exact issue is and showing that he has to clip the tweeter wires from the coaxial speaker so they can be run into the 2 wires on the pigtail above that carry the tweeter signal, while running the other 2 wires from the pigtail to the main connectors on the coaxial.</p><p></p><p>I don't mean to be obstinate here, and I'm not trying to pit my knowledge against yours, I'm trying to show what someone else (who at some point ran a blog about caraudio) is saying about my exact same scenario.</p><p></p><p>For what it is worth I went to like 4-5 audio places over the past week and some of them start out talking about how simple it will be, but when I show them the setup and press them to it, they all appear to concede that if you wire a coaxial up directly you will not get the full sound.</p><p></p><p>Finally, I'll note that your chat with Crutchfield you seemed to be focusing on the front door and dash speakers. This whole post has been about replacing my rear deck speakers.</p><p></p><p>EDIT: Just adding on another confirmation from this video:</p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]L6yfm7GQwbA:175[/MEDIA]</p><p>same video jump ahead:</p><p>[MEDIA=youtube]L6yfm7GQwbA:290[/MEDIA]</p><p></p><p>Really best if you watch about 3 minutes from the first link to get the whole explanation, but at the least click the second link and watch about 1 minute where he clearly explains the wiring he is doing is only because he is replacing the factory amp and if you are not replacing the JBL amp you have to wire them separately (i.e. use components, or do the trick with splicing the wiring off the coaxial tweeters like the blog post).</p><p></p><p>So again, there is just too much other information contradicting what Crutchfield states by people directly working on these cars.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BenH, post: 8864915, member: 690429"] I'm sorry but I don't trust Crutchfield. Especially because I was told the opposite by them the other day when I asked. I was talking on the phone with them and they didn't offer the information, but when I specifically asked about that I was told that if I just wired the coaxial speaker directly to the current wire setup I would only get one set of sound. Additionally, I highly doubt that the gentlemen in the blog post would have gone through all that work if he could have just "hooked them up". He seems knowledgeable on the subject, so when it comes to some "salesperson" at Crutchfield vs a seemingly knowledgeable person who has done this before, I'll go with the latter. It is not that I don't trust YOU, but you yourself have no direct knowledge of this setup and are relying on a third party here. I'll also note that you didn't mention, nor did they ask about what type of system was in the Camry. It is the JBL premium sound system (without navigation). I expect that the wiring is quite a bit different than the standard sound system. Although I'm not sure if the standard sound system also uses other JBL speakers, but if you aren't being specific as to the setup, then who knows? Additionally, if you go on Crutchfield to look at speakers for this setup it shows this listed under install notes: [ATTACH type="full" width="399px" alt="1702106822733.png"]55106[/ATTACH] Your terminology continues to confuse me with "main leads" "termination points", etc. I'm trying to deal with this in simple terms, so let me restate simply: These rear speakers are components and although they are physically attached via the bracket they each have 2 wires coming out from them which are all 4 going into a quick connect wiring harness. It is hard to see in the pics, but this should show: [ATTACH type="full" width="273px" alt="1702107122430.png"]55107[/ATTACH] You can see there are 2 bundles of 2 wires that are then wrapped, but you can see the 4 wires on the quick connect. The other side of the quick connect that is coming from the amp also (obviously) has 4 wires going into it. The blog post I have linked multiple times (and will link again): [URL unfurl="true"]https://caraudiotips.blogspot.com/2013/02/upgrading-rear-speakers-toyota-camry.html?m=1[/URL] I think he is pretty clear in stating what the exact issue is and showing that he has to clip the tweeter wires from the coaxial speaker so they can be run into the 2 wires on the pigtail above that carry the tweeter signal, while running the other 2 wires from the pigtail to the main connectors on the coaxial. I don't mean to be obstinate here, and I'm not trying to pit my knowledge against yours, I'm trying to show what someone else (who at some point ran a blog about caraudio) is saying about my exact same scenario. For what it is worth I went to like 4-5 audio places over the past week and some of them start out talking about how simple it will be, but when I show them the setup and press them to it, they all appear to concede that if you wire a coaxial up directly you will not get the full sound. Finally, I'll note that your chat with Crutchfield you seemed to be focusing on the front door and dash speakers. This whole post has been about replacing my rear deck speakers. EDIT: Just adding on another confirmation from this video: [MEDIA=youtube]L6yfm7GQwbA:175[/MEDIA] same video jump ahead: [MEDIA=youtube]L6yfm7GQwbA:290[/MEDIA] Really best if you watch about 3 minutes from the first link to get the whole explanation, but at the least click the second link and watch about 1 minute where he clearly explains the wiring he is doing is only because he is replacing the factory amp and if you are not replacing the JBL amp you have to wire them separately (i.e. use components, or do the trick with splicing the wiring off the coaxial tweeters like the blog post). So again, there is just too much other information contradicting what Crutchfield states by people directly working on these cars. [/QUOTE]
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