Pioneer or Pride sub for car?

[ianik777]

am actualy using 2 pioneer sub with below specs in my car:

• System TypeComponent Subwoofer
• Sensitivity (1W/1m)96 dB
• Frequency Range20 Hz to 80 Hz
• Warranty1 Year
• Continuous Power handling (RMS) - Watts600 Watts
• Maximum Peak Power Handling - Watts2000 Watts
• Nominal Impedance - OHM4 DVC

came across pride saphire sub with below specs:
RMS: 900 W
X Max (BL 50%): 18 mm one way
Re Ω: 1,85+1,85 ohm
Fs: 33,4 Hz
Qts: 0,62
Sd: 464 cm²
Vas: 32 L
Sens (1W/1m): 85,5 dB
Sens (2.83Vrms/1m): 89,2 dB
Physical feature:
Magnet's material: Ferrit
Magnet's Diameter N/A
Magnet quantity: 2 rings
Magnet's weight: 3300 g
Frame material: Steel
Spider: 3 pcs
Voice coil D: Cooper
Voice coil material: 2,6 inch
Mounting Depth: N/A
Height Voice coil: 152 mm
Mounting hole: 282 mm

is it worth swapping my pioneers with the pride? will they have much more power than the pioneer? are their bass quality good?

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[Grimmjoww]

The Pride subs I have seen hit pretty hard, not familiar with the model you have listed but it looks like a good sub. Based on wattage alone if your getting 2 it should produce more spl if that's what your after.

 

[ianik777]

ok

The Pride subs I have seen hit pretty hard, not familiar with the model you have listed but it looks like a good sub. Based on wattage alone if your getting 2 it should produce more spl if that's what your after.

but the pioneer has 96Db as compared to 85 on the pride. you still think that the pride will be louder?

 

[Grimmjoww]

That just means the pioneer takes less watts to reach it's maximum potential. There will not be a huge difference imo, just fyi.

 

[dragon.breath 10+ year member]

The sensitivity spec on a subwoofer should almost be ignored. Here is the oversimplified version. A higher power subwoofer has to have a stiffer suspension to keep the cone under control at high volume. The stiff suspension makes the cone harder to move at any power level. The sensitivity spec is done at 1 watt. The stiff subwoofer will not be as loud at 1 watt as the softer subwoofer.

 

[AnthonyO 10+ year member]

This is just my opinion. If you are not replacing your amplifier, then no the Pride's will not be any louder. Now if you increase the wattage of the amplifier and have an enclosure specifically built for the Pride's, then yes. But just taking the Pioneers out of the box and replacing with the Pride's, NO there will not be any significant increase.

 

[ianik777]

This is just my opinion. If you are not replacing your amplifier, then no the Pride's will not be any louder. Now if you increase the wattage of the amplifier and have an enclosure specifically built for the Pride's, then yes. But just taking the Pioneers out of the box and replacing with the Pride's, NO there will not be any significant increase.

of course will change the amp also. will go with 1 offering 1000 watt rms for 1 sub.

 

[hispls 5,000+ posts]

This is just my opinion. If you are not replacing your amplifier, then no the Pride's will not be any louder. Now if you increase the wattage of the amplifier and have an enclosure specifically built for the Pride's, then yes. But just taking the Pioneers out of the box and replacing with the Pride's, NO there will not be any significant increase.

Agreed.

I'd like to know which model Pioneer we're using and I'd like to see the box as it sits in the car first. It may well be that there's more gains to be had from just building a proper box for the Pioneers.

All things equal I don't think moving from one 2.5" coil sub to another is going to be any sort of dramatic gain. Or put another way, I would ask, how much money would you be willing to spend on 1 click of the volume knob?

 

[ianik777]

Agreed.

I'd like to know which model Pioneer we're using and I'd like to see the box as it sits in the car first. It may well be that there's more gains to be had from just building a proper box for the Pioneers.

All things equal I don't think moving from one 2.5" coil sub to another is going to be any sort of dramatic gain. Or put another way, I would ask, how much money would you be willing to spend on 1 click of the volume knob?

pioneer 3003D4 sub. and the pride is sapphire 12 inch.

 

[spokey9]

Honestly I don't think they'd sound much different just swapping subs...I think building a box to the pioneer specs would be more beneficial

 

[AnthonyO 10+ year member]

Yeah I just looked up both subs. The sapphire is Pride entry line. I don't see it being any louder than the Pioneers. As spokey said, spend the money on a custom enclosure for the pioneers.

 

[hispls 5,000+ posts]

pioneer 3003D4 sub. and the pride is sapphire 12 inch.

Pioneer isn't telling but I'm going to guess that is 2.5" voice coil, if this is the case going into that Pride branded 2.5" coil sub will not be any sort of upgrade all things being equal. Going into a more rubust 3" coil from Pride would allow you to throw 1000W or more per woofer but that would require a bigger amp and very probably (expensive) upgrades to your electrical system.

Assuming you have a 1000W (or so) amp and you have a proper box, you are at a plateau where you are not going to get any audible gains without getting into some big and expensive upgrades. If you just have a pre-made box or a very small amplifier, buying an honest 1000W and building a custom box would be your best return on investment for hearing any improvements from smaller upgrades.

 

[SubwoofinHard]

am actualy using 2 pioneer sub with below specs in my car:

• System TypeComponent Subwoofer
• Sensitivity (1W/1m)96 dB
• Frequency Range20 Hz to 80 Hz
• Warranty1 Year
• Continuous Power handling (RMS) - Watts600 Watts
• Maximum Peak Power Handling - Watts2000 Watts
• Nominal Impedance - OHM4 DVC

came across pride saphire sub with below specs:
RMS: 900 W
X Max (BL 50%): 18 mm one way
Re Ω: 1,85+1,85 ohm
Fs: 33,4 Hz
Qts: 0,62
Sd: 464 cm²
Vas: 32 L
Sens (1W/1m): 85,5 dB
Sens (2.83Vrms/1m): 89,2 dB
Physical feature:
Magnet's material: Ferrit
Magnet's Diameter N/A
Magnet quantity: 2 rings
Magnet's weight: 3300 g
Frame material: Steel
Spider: 3 pcs
Voice coil D: Cooper
Voice coil material: 2,6 inch
Mounting Depth: N/A
Height Voice coil: 152 mm
Mounting hole: 282 mm

is it worth swapping my pioneers with the pride? will they have much more power than the pioneer? are their bass quality good?

I would definitely go Pride regardless of TS Parameters. I've owned a lot of car audio subs (Including Pioneer) through the last two decades, and build my own boxes as well. Incredible pressure running thier lowest-end sub the M9 15 (2 of them). I found a lot of bolts missing in my trunk and my tail light is loose after 5 days of installation. Some of the front trim even pushed out from the glass and the glue is giving on my front and back windshield. Crazy! This is on only 1750 watts on a Orion 1500Dz and stock alt wtf them Russians putting in these subs!?!?!?

 

[Doxquzme Premium Member]

-Strictly speaker-ing, the math works like this. Let's start with the basics and compare what a doubling of the volume to the ear look like in decibels (either efficiency or relative to a doubling of wattage, 3 db is 3 db). At 1 watt 1 meter it takes roughly 9-10 db for the ear to perceive a doubling of the volume (SPL). Starting with wattage, here is what it takes to double the volume at the ear using wattage. Starting with any driver and a 500 watt amplifier.

500 to 1000 watts - +3 db increase in output (33% louder)
1000 to 2000 watts - another +3 db increase in output (plus 6 db over 500 watts and 66% louder)
2000 to 4000 watts - another +3 db increase in output and roughly 99% louder than 500 watts or a doubling of the volume to the ear.

Using a single driver for comparison (keeps it simple though the math applies in multiples too) a woofer that is 9-10 db more efficient and all other things (like cone size, xmech/xmax, etc) being the same, that driver will be twice as loud at the same input as the one that is 9-10 db less efficient. So, while this true, if the less efficient driver is less by that 9-10 db and could take 8 times the power, it can be as loud as the super efficient driver too.

Using the math, let's give the Pioneers their 500 watts and their 10 db higher efficiency compared to the other sub in the list. Since we know the other driver is going to get 33% louder at 1000 watts that it will at 500, that still makes the Pioneer sub about 66% louder at 500 watts than the Pride will be at 1000 watts/86 db.

Again, eliminating many of the variables that can play a part, strictly speaking, the Pride (if it could handle it) would need about 4000 watts of input to equal the Pioneer at 500 watts. I know it seems cray, but the math (and the physics) don't lie!

Just build a better box and use the Pioneers.

 

[audiobaun 5,000+ posts]

Cone area usually rules as well from my experience,though depending on the vehicle,placement and tuning,and type of enclosure and power