I guess im not educated on amp topology enough.
Looking at the guts of thay z12000 or whatever, id laugh if someone told me it did 4k. Looks like 2k worth of guts. But ive been surprised before.
That xtr and its 55% efficiency didnt do it for me
The 2500 ?The xtr just didn't do it for me. That power supply looks horribly weak (confirmed by the numbers it put up too) and I wouldn't put my $ towards that.
so making 3.2k under 1% THD for its size means its a weak power supply?The xtr just didn't do it for me. That power supply looks horribly weak (confirmed by the numbers it put up too) and I wouldn't put my $ towards that.
I'd like to assume you know how a well regulated power supply works. Ask yourself, why would an amp that makes so much power dynamically have a poor power supply? I'm not going to do all the work for you...if you read about the topology you'll know instantly why amps like this one, audiopipe, the Rockville, and every other cheap amp have such a large amount of headroom dynamically. Hint, it has nothing to do with the rail voltage ~hence poor efficiency as well.so making 3.2k under 1% THD for its size means its a weak power supply?
They're actually pretty potent, they're just not over-built. Just in case we are talking about a different amp? Make sure to watch this in its entirety, pausing to view the results sheet with numbers all the way out to the right for the .8ohm load. -->The xtr just didn't do it for me. That power supply looks horribly weak (confirmed by the numbers it put up too) and I wouldn't put my $ towards that.
Nevermind my last post to you, I see that you already understand based on your last post. I think we can agree it comes down to proper application. This is not a good candidate for abuse, with or without good electrical. But would be a good choice for certain people who understand the limitations imposed by the build, size and cost.I'd like to assume you know how a well regulated power supply works. Ask yourself, why would an amp that makes so much power dynamically have a poor power supply? I'm not going to do all the work for you...if you read about the topology you'll know instantly why amps like this one, audiopipe, the Rockville, and every other cheap amp have such a large amount of headroom dynamically. Hint, it has nothing to do with the rail voltage ~hence poor efficiency as well.
you say poor efficiency yet i dont see that at all from actual real world use from people who actually own the xtr series. You can Just set the gain slightly lower (200 watts less) and viola no more 55% efficiency, you are well back up to the high 60s. cscstang with his 2200 on a stock alt barely any drop on his mustang.I'd like to assume you know how a well regulated power supply works. Ask yourself, why would an amp that makes so much power dynamically have a poor power supply? I'm not going to do all the work for you...if you read about the topology you'll know instantly why amps like this one, audiopipe, the Rockville, and every other cheap amp have such a large amount of headroom dynamically. Hint, it has nothing to do with the rail voltage ~hence poor efficiency as well.
So it made the numbers they claim, that's great. My focus for you here is about how it makes power dynamically, I don't care (as you don't) about the numbers per se...but the reason behind why it makes those numbers. You're missing the bigger picture here. Theirs a reason those Korean amp's aren't making a ton of power dynamically or a ton over rated, the power supply is has much better regulation.you say poor efficiency yet i dont see that at all from actual real world use from people who actually own the xtr series. You can Just set the gain slightly lower (200 watts less) and viola no more 55% efficiency, you are well back up to the high 60s. cscstang with his 2200 on a stock alt barely any drop on his mustang.
As for your rockville audiopipe statement, none of those amps make certified 1 ohm power. This orion made 700 watts on top of rated. Not even close to the same league for any sort of comparison. Who even looks at dynamic numbers anyways, useless garbage number. Not to mention making more certified power at 2 ohm than most korean 3.5k amps clamped. To be honest, none of the korean 2k amps can hang with this amp at all.
you can talk topology all you want but results and test numbers are all there, no other korean 2k dyno'd even close to orion's certified numbers and they cost way more.
Yes, under normal circumstances with proper electrical I think it's a solid amp. I can agree that if the user knows what they are doing and doesn't abuse it, it will be fine. But for the vast majority of people (myself included) I like having the added comfort of knowing my amp is overbuilt and will last me.Nevermind my last post to you, I see that you already understand based on your last post. I think we can agree it comes down to proper application. This is not a good candidate for abuse, with or without good electrical. But would be a good choice for certain people who understand the limitations imposed by the build, size and cost.