it was said, ... thus my post.. if you're not saying it or didn't plan on it because of the Psis... is there a reason to explain then? It's just an opinion, like mine. My old neo 8 was still better than both ^_^.. 3" adire coil custom basket to allow for the huge spider. kmanian owns it now though.I must have missed the psi's.. But i wouldn't say they are any better thermally then the Atomics (sja industries) They do have a nice motor assembly and are well vented as well!!