I still like how no one has yet to mention sundowns Sa-8 or better yet there soon to be released x-8...... I'm not a nut hugger by any means but in my option credit is given where credit is due......Ic quality ....when dates for new products being released get pushed back in this companies case it's not for bad management..... It seems more like jacob isnt a 100 percent happy with the product so it goes back for another tweek........ Just my two cents...... I know other companies do make great products but me personally ill sit tight until the x-8 is released