Yeah, it's a stick. I have 2 12 Punch Z's, the old model ones powered by a 150 Watt RMS Crunch amp in a sealed box and even they can slap pretty hard if everything is going right. I turned the gain up on the amp and the bass boost and everything too just for sh!ts and giggles haha and I've had it like that for almost a year and the subs or the amp haven't blown yet. You know how much a 12 XXX weighs?